XSG - 1 G 2 Many ([info]xsg) wrote,
@ 2009-03-26 14:39:00
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Economic class differentiation...
I was asked in a comment about what I meant in my recent entry, regarding thinking like a lower-middle class person versus thinking like an upper-middle-class person.

In answering, it dawned on me that I really want to discuss this subject with everyone. I want other opinions, and I hope you'll share yours.


In my mind, there are three primary economic classes, the lower class, the middle class, and the upper class. It is very important that I state right now that an economic class does _not_ indicate what kind of person someone in that class is. It is not a judgment about the person, it is a statement about that person's wealth.

Defining the primary classes:
Lower-class people struggle to afford basic needs in life. Food. Rent. Transportation to/from work. They tend to live paycheck to paycheck and have difficulty acquiring all of their needs, often having to go without a portion of one in exchange for a portion of another.

Middle-class people have their basic needs covered and have to shuffle around their wealth in order to pay for their wants, usually via savings and small investments. A car. Private and/or advanced education. Internet. Summer vacations.

Upper-class people have their basic needs and wants covered and shuffle around their wealth in order to maintain and expand their wealth. Estates. Business ventures. Hedge funds.


Each class has a secondary differentiator, also lower-, middle-, and upper-, however the secondary differentiation is most commonly applied to the middle-class (because everyone knows the lower-class has it rough any which way you slice it and the upper-class is just wealthy). Here's my differentiation:

Lower-middle-class people have very little savings, no investments, and only infrequently acquire enough wealth to spend on their wants. Often, a lower-middle class person is a hard worker with no college degree who struggles at a manual job in order to pay for their childrens' college degrees.

Middle-middle-class people, or middle-class people, have some savings and some investments, are usually college educated, and struggle in order to provide the same for their children.

Upper-middle-class people have savings and investments and can usually pay for their wants without too much re-shuffling of accounts. Buying a mid-range car (like a Camry or an Accord) isn't that big of a deal with a modest down-payment and not-terribly-difficult-to-arrange financing.


I reserve the right to re-define these as you convince me to. :)

So, what do you think?



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[info]mr_chip
2009-03-26 10:15 pm UTC (link)
So to tie this back to your previous example, you want to continue thinking/behaving as though you don't have enough to cover your the future needs of your children even though you (in your heart of hearts) believe you do?

Is this solely out of a desire to remain overly cautious financially? There's a certain classism I sensed in the previous entry, that wasn't about pure economics.

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[info]xsg
2009-03-27 02:40 am UTC (link)
I'd rather say that I don't want to take the income that I've worked to acquire for granted. Even though I've got a nest-egg and can just go out and pay cash for a car, I want to continue to be forward-thinking rather than present-thinking (with respect to wants). I want to continue to "sacrifice" by not getting some of the things that I _want_ so as not to become spoiled by luxury. I want to always remember that it was very hard work to get to where I am, and that where I am is tentative and could disappear. It isn't really about the finances, per se. It's about appreciating the things I have. And yet, even though I want to think and behave as someone from the lower-middle class might, a $5,000 per month salary, which used to sound like a good thing, no longer does, and the ability to afford a new CD just seems silly to me.

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[info]monotonia
2009-03-26 11:46 pm UTC (link)
I felt the classism in the last post as well, but am struggling to define exactly what triggered it. I'm going to just attribute it to jealousy, since I'm struggling to reach middle class, despite the college degree.

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[info]xsg
2009-03-27 02:49 am UTC (link)
I hate to say it, but I often feel like you think negatively of me in general, and when I'm discussing a subject that's particularly sensitive to you it's quite easy for me to touch a nerve. Maybe I'm wrong, but our friendship took a huge hit for precisely this reason when you appeared to me to make some negative assumptions about me toward the end of last year, in comments to others.

Also, there's a period of time during which separating people into classes doesn't really make so much sense, and you're in that period. You've trying to establish yourself and you're trying to balance all of your needs and wants. One of your primary wants, I think, is to live where you live and to have some of the things you do (a barn, horses, ...). You've sacrificed a lot of other things to do so. Plus, you're trying to get Jerad through school (a want). These are generally middle-class things you're juggling, but I know you're not far from juggling rent and other things as well. So I wouldn't want to assign you to a particular class. You're in heavy fluctuation now and for a few more years, probably. We'll see where you land. :)

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[info]monotonia
2009-03-27 04:06 pm UTC (link)
I don't think I think of you negatively in general, and I'm not sure what comments I made about you make you think that. I think I've said exactly the same things *to* you, because as much as I like you (and no, I don't think of you negatively) I think you have some serious issues that need to be addressed and I hate to see people hurt.
I know I have things to work on, too ... and yeah, money is definitely a touchy issue to me, because it hurts me daily. While I'm firmly middle class, I don't feel like other middle class people are on the same page as me when it comes to the way they feel about money. Maybe it's just because they have more security in general. Maybe it's because they have a feeling that they're moving forward, while I feel very stagnant. That's definitely the result of choices I've made, and yet they're choices I am stuck with now, and am not sure how to move forward from here. For example, I can't un-do having horses. They're like children ... a good person doesn't get rid of them simply because they're not convenient. But I *will* if and when I am finally able to move away from here. I'm DONE, but J's not yet.

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[info]f8
2009-03-27 07:11 pm UTC (link)
I would include home ownership in here somewhere.

There are, according to your definition, lower-class people who do own homes.
And upper-middle class people who don't.

Maybe that falls into the investment category."


I would use these definitions

The underclass - chronically impoverished, long periods of un or under-employment, low-skilled and/or lack of higher education, multi-generational poverty, dependance on social services for basic survival, which is often inadequate. They have no access to credit.

The working poor - people who fall under federal poverty thresholds, but work full-time. They have little or no access to credit.

The middle-class: people who sell their time based on their skills, education and experience in order to generate an income. They are paid by other people. They may be able to save, borrow and make significant investments and purchases based on their salary in relation to the local cost of living. Their fortune is closely tied to market forces and most could not maintain their standard living with an extended job loss. Their debt to income ratio is steep with a wide variety of credit products available to them.

Entrepeneurial class - Business owners who pay themselves, may be anywhere on the economic spectrum.

The wealthy - people who make the majority of their money from their money through a variety of investments. They may also work to generate an income, but hold jobs in the top tier of salaried positions - executive positions mostly.They tend to control the flow of wealth and have a major influence on public policy, government and finance.

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[info]sokkmonkey
2009-03-27 09:08 pm UTC (link)
I think that while you are on the right track, this also varies from location to location, while in Silicon Valley I'm upper middle class, In Tennessee I would be upper class. In Seattle I'm stone cold middle class.

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